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Tuesday, April 5, 2011

Why Do Haters Gotta Hate?


Y'know, the blogosphere can sometimes seem like a microcosm of the real world. The pissing contests, popularity contests, the bad writers who remind us of bad drivers, and the sheer insanity tearing its throat out to shout obscenities at faceless and nameless people like a hobo on the corner of Market & 9th street.

But it isn't. I've seen the real world, filled with a vast noise that drowns out even my own thoughts at times, and not even the most flaming troll has ever come close to that.

Yet looking at such people like, [Unamused], [Obsidian], [Hippo Chuck], [Randy Garver], [Ferdinand], and [Half Sigma], I am struck by their commitment to proselytizing a message of fear-based racism, prejudice, ignorance, and discrimination rationalized through false science, through oppression-based ideologies, but most of all through a severe willingness to ignore, deny, and reject the overwhelming evidence of their own misplaced hate.

They're a motley collection of racists, classists, ageists, ableists, conservative reactionaries, neoliberals, anti-immigrants, Islamophobes, homophobes, misogynists, misandrists, Fundamentalist Christians, race-realists, Human-Biodiversity advocates, Game afficionados, Angry White Males, Marginal White Males, and internet tough guys.


And who do they hate? Blacks, Hispanics, many Asians, Jews, Immigrants, Homosexuals, Muslims, poor people, most Women. Basically anyone that does not conform to their White upper-class male heteronormative and Christian existence. Basically anyone who does not look like them.

They are the hegemonic Middle America that has taken control of the political process in this country because they are so easily led by demagogues who assuage their discontent with angry rhetoric. They are the disaffected who want to go back to "The Good Ol' Days" of the 1950's (when my family couldn't go to public pools in upstate New York). They are the nostalgic gun-lovers who hold up signs of Obama as a monkey or a witch-doctor and proclaim they're not racist because they're hiding behind some random Black person they know. They are the Faux News audience, digesting a constant message of fear and paranoia of anything remotely democratic which would help them against the extreme financial hardships of life that have intensified because of their own bigoted prima donnas dearly beloved leaders. They are the displaced rage of a country to which I can scarcely believe I belong to at times...

When free public healthcare is made to be the equivalent to Communist death-panels, and teachers are transformed into overly paid, money-sucking public workers, and unions are suddenly considered anti-American because they help give ordinary people the right to bargain with their bosses, and when the military-industrial complex mixes with the healthcare-industrial complex which mixes with the prison-industrial complex which goes alongside the sexual-grievance industry to create a perfect capitalistic & hegemonic system of disenfranchisement among the poorest, most oppressed people in our country... Well, when all that happens I can't help but laugh to keep from crying.

James Baldwin said, What white people have to do, is try and find out in their own hearts why it was necessary to have a nigger in the first place, because I’m not a nigger, I’m a man, but if you think I’m a nigger, it means you need it.

I would ask the same thing of these people. Why do you NEED Black people to be dumber? Why do you NEED for Hispanics to be illegal-aliens? Why do you NEED for Jews to be greedy, for homosexuality to be sinful, for Muslims to be terrorists or terrorist-sympathizers, and for working-class people coming together to get paid a decent salary be something so horrible? Why do the haters gotta hate? What's in it for them?

Does it inflate their self-worth? Does it make them feel better about being universally despised when exposed? Does it help them to deal with their own shit by shitting on everybody else?

How does a person get so broken? How do they get so completely, and obviously twisted? Do they even realize what they are, or what what they say means?


Yet, in the blindingly hypocritical way of all bullies, they cast themselves as pariahs, as realists and true-seekers, as Good People. And in the same motion, cast those of us who spend our lives dedicated to freedom, equality, and the pursuit of happiness (y'know, those things in the Declaration of Independence) as racists, bigots, evil Leftists and Liberals, socialists, communists, and other confusing or ironic appellations.

It's like being in the world of 1984 with a heavy dose of V For Vendetta covered in Ayn Randian propaganda. And I just want to know: how did they get here?

I ask out of genuine confusion. Because I cannot fathom Evil that calls itself Good.

Back in the real world, I remember the first neo-Nazi skinhead who planted jackboot to face. I remember his eyes, his fucked-up teeth, the chain on his wallet, the Hot-Topic designer clothes. I remember going to Shul and seeing the Swastika graffiti like an angry scar that would just never heal. I remember the Holocaust museum in D.C. and looking at my thrice great-grandfather's shoes, wondering if my namesake was just another Jew. I remember being called a kike.

And when I remember these things, I also remember that I survived them. I remember that I scrapped, and brawled, sometimes lost, sometimes won, sometimes held back, sometimes spoke my mind. I remember that all the vitriolic in the world cannot ruin the shine of one perfect day with my girlfriend on the beach talking about nothing during my 24th birthday.

It puts the smile back on my face when the haters come up to bat with limp-dick attempts at prejudice. I've seen worse, and I've seen better. And they are just another dinosaur, upon their last gasp, slowly going extinct.

Glory glory, hallelujah.



Cheers

19 footnotes:

Jeronimus said...

Hey Zek,

That's a pretty complete worldview you got there. You can certainly spin out paragraphs. However, it may just be a structure of words that doesn't correspond to the structure of reality.

The thing is, you cannot do Midrash on reality. Reality isn't going to change because of your arguments and passionate advocacy. It's going to keep being reality. Reality is not your tribal or personal god, or mine.

I enjoy corresponding with "the other side" such as you. I am banned from commenting on most left wing sites. One thing I ask every one of you:

Do you acknowledge the failure of your side in the cases of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe and South Africa? Do you acknowledge that during the days of Rhodesia and SA apartheid, your side made promises of multiracial democracies that would be just as prosperous (or more so), just as safe (or more so), just as clean (or more so), than the White-ruled societies before them? I do. I remember them. Everything would be Utopia if only whites gave blacks the vote.

But actually, the experiments both failed. Zimbabwe has fallen all the way down. Ever heard of the trillion dollar Zimbabwe note? how about this NYT Nicholas Kristof article?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/11/opinion/11kristof.html?_r=1

I asked Abel what he dreams of. “A bicycle,” he said. Then he would be able to get home from school more quickly and manage the household better.

“Life was a lot better when I was younger,” he said, a bit wistfully. “From what my parents used to tell me, life was a lot better under white rule. There was a lot more food and clothes, and you could afford to buy things.” But Abel insisted that he was optimistic that life would eventually get better again.


So liberals made life hell in Southern Africa, not just for the whites, but even for the blacks too. Everyone suffers over there now. There's a clip from the BBC showing a black South African saying "we want the National Party back." (apartheid). "There was jobs then."

So you see the just so stories of racial equality, spun out of words doing Midrash on reality, has actually failed in the real world. Real people are suffering more than they would have, had white rule been left in place.

What do you think? Thanks for letting me comment.

Zek J Evets said...

Jeronimus,

Well, telling me that you're often banned from commenting on many sites isn't exactly a winning way to start the discussion, but I appreciate the honesty. Also, this isn't a "left wing site" nor am I doing a "Midrash" on anything.

(Maybe it's your own lack of experience, but in Judaism midrash is the process of applying homiletic methods to biblical exegesis. You cannot "Midrash on reality" unless you're talking about religion. Which I haven't been.)

Anyhoo, I'm not sure which side you're referring to that failed SA, Rhodesia, or Zimbabwe. I mean, I'm an American citizen, so I'm uncertain as to how I could be a part of any side in any of those countries. I am glad apartheid was ended, as it was a hideous institution. However, your comments seem to imply that under apartheid SA was better off... I think that is a rather simplistic, and probably racist assumption, especially considering an entire race of people (including mixed-race people) were treated like second-class citizens with relatively little rights or access to education, or better-paid jobs.

Also, I'm not sure if a single Black South African constitutes a majority of Black South African's wanting apartheid back. Nor do I believe he meant apartheid in his comment (judging from my interpretation of the information you're presenting) but rather he just wants a job.

The just so stories of racial inequality are fraught with attempts to justify the hegemonic oppression of people who look different, practice different religions, speak a different language, etc. That racial equality would be, judging from your comment, a bad thing is indicative of how a vocal minority can develop in countries that practice free-speech.

While I do not believe racial equality would lead to utopia, I do believe that equality is the closest thing to utopia that one can find on Earth. However, reality is far more complex, and even all things being equal, tragedy still happens. Yet we struggle on, and persevere, much in the same that Black South Africans did against apartheid, and still do today against the myriad problems in their country. And they do this hand in hand with Whites, for the most part.

Now, as for me, I don't feel I am going to change the world. I don't feel that individuals CAN change the world -- especially nowadays. I prefer to ask the questions, introspect, and work with others in order to create the world I want to live in. Reality isn't going to change because I want it to, but it also isn't going to change unless I do something. For me, writing is what I do, and my articles that are published help others to do the same.

Meanwhile, I would appreciate you not stereotyping me, since it doesn't really bring anything to the conversation -- and it's a strawman argument in the making. Also, please don't utilize insensitive cultural associations, because I dealt with that enough as a child. Since it's my blog I prefer to moderate the discussion. If you're uncertain about how offensive a comment of yours will be, do as Thumper does in Bambi: just don't say anything at all.

Thanks again for your time, and enjoy reading!

Unamused said...

Fascinating. And yet black people keep scoring 15 points lower on IQ tests.

Zek J Evets said...

@Unamused:

Correction: on methodologically flawed and ethnocentric IQ tests!

But by all means, continue to trust invalid IQ scores in the face of America's cultural exports which are/were created primarily by Black Americans or were contributed to significantly by Black Americans. (Hip-hop, Jazz, fast-food, computer technology/micro-code, graffiti art, and break-dancing/b-boying.)

Jeronimus said...

Zek,

You forgot peanut butter, stoplights, the slam dunk, crunking and blood transfusions. What more proof do we need of the godlike status of the American Negro?

Zek J Evets said...

@Jeronimus:

Haha, well how about the fact that few other peoples in the world can claim to have been systematically enslaved, discriminated against, and subjected to racial hatred on the level of American Blacks.

But forget the "godlike status" of Black people, because it seems race-realism is about promoting the "godlike status" of White people, especially when one considers that places like American Renaissance are committed to White nationalist/separatist agendas of anti-immigrant, anti-multi-cultural, anti-religious diversity.

Or better yet, how about the simple fact that the people who own this country are predominantly rich White men? Seems like the gods are still the same old, same old to me.

Someday things will change though. If only because people get old, and they die, and new people grow up to replace them. Hopefully the new people aren't like the old people. Guess we'll see.

Student of the World said...

"People who say they are bad are usually no better or worse than the rest of us.

It is the people who claim to be good or in anyway better than the rest of use that we need to be vary of. " Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West.

A good read about the nature of good and evil. And about societies influence *esp education system* on an individuals perception of it/themselves. Ironically enough if you ever find the time to read Wicked, it corresponds, purposefully with much of what has been written about scientific racism and the dehumanizing of other human beings, by humans. (Although in the case of the novel it's sentient animals but the similarities to reality are hard to miss:P)

Why do people need to feel superior to others? I guess it's because of the fact that deep down they are so ashamed of their own inadequacies that admitting to this would compromise their own weak and fragile sense of identity. So ashamed that they project it onto others in order to (not)deal with it.

I mean if you look at the history of most white settler countries they all started out/or were regarded as PENAL COLONIES at some point in their formation.

Although Australia and New Zealand have lasting legacies as such probably because they served as penal colonies for much longer; Louisiana, Florida, Delaware, Quebec, all started out as penal colonies.

In Quebec's case it strait up kills me how the so called "French" descendent's cling so desperately to a heritage they aren't even really considered a part of.

It's like the bastard son being proud of his father,more proud than the fathers own children(the ones he claims) even though his father doesn't raise/ support him/acknowledge or even love him.

White Canadians used to have a massive inferiority complex when it came to the United States up until the seventies they were a dependency in many ways of the US and UK. But all settler countries have this, even to a SLIGHTLY lesser degree, the United States.

Its a troublesome product of this narcissistic culture of make believe. Because they were rejected from something they considered themselves in many ways to be a part of they created these myths of "belonging" to comfort themselves. And they stubbornly clung to these beliefs and legacies because......they had nothing else?

It's like bastard child syndrome. When your family rejects you and no one else adopts you or for whatever reason you reject the people who have adopted you, where do you go? Back to the parent who doesn't want you


But their legacies are mostly imaginary and these delusions of grandeur don't bear out in reality.

Even if they aren't directly descended from peasants, prostitutes, thieves, pimps, rapists, con artists, political dissidents and other riffraff. They are still people who only got here because they were unwanted somewhere else.

LOL the super/inferiority complex of the "french" Canadians has a little bit to do with historical segregation and some minor persecution on the part of the British Canadians(protestants versus catholics)

See Quebec is the bastard child of French Colonialism, much like Louisiana:New Orleans, but I know two Parisians who openly told them "I'm French, you are Canadian."

Oooh you should have seen how pissed they were. Like they were very angry that a French person told them that(to their faces). Not all French people regard Quebecois this way, but many do.

They try so hard to emulate the French even though France basically abandoned Quebec after they lost the French and Indian War. Even when the Quebec tried to succeed from Canada, France did not come to their aide and in one of the most hilarious oxymoron political movements Sovereignty Association was voted DOWN by majority of Quebec.

Why do haters gotta hate? Because thats the only thing they know how to do.

Student of the World said...

Actually more like Bullying. People who were bullied usually turn into Bullies. It sucks but thats how the world works.

Anonymous said...

Obsidian is a black guy.


Just figure if you are gonna hate on someone it might do you some good to know that not everyone you are hating on is white.

Though I think you are a snotty little anthropologist who is a bit out of his league when it comes to HBD discussions, it's good to know that you are an equal opportunity as far as getting your panties in a bunch.

It actually makes me respect you a bit.

Clarence

Zek J Evets said...

Clarence,

I know Obsidian is a Black guy... In fact, I can say there isn't anybody who DOESN'T know that.

My question is: so what? Herrnstein is Jewish but that doesn't stop him from stereotyping his own people.

I'm fine debunking haters from all backgrounds; even when they're of the group they're disparaging. So I guess I appreciate your little bit of respect.

That said, calling me a "snotty little anthropologist who is a bit out of his league when it comes to HBD discussions" is kinda funny!

I mean, if someone who studies bio-anthropology, paleoanthropology, forensic anthropology, human genetics, human variation, heritability, race, cross-cultural racism, IQ, ethnocentrism, and other directly related subjects ISN'T qualified for this topic, well then...

How about I just defer you to Kamin, Gould, Diamond, Lewontin, Rose, Mielke, and a whole host of other scientists who are preeminent in the field. They're all sources of mine, not to mention experts in the subject matter. All my ideas are drawn from their work -- in addition to my own undergrad ethnographies among southwest California, and SF-Oakland.

Thanks for the comment Clarence! Hope you learned something ; )

Zek J Evets said...

Student of the World,


Why do people need to feel superior to others? I guess it's because of the fact that deep down they are so ashamed of their own inadequacies that admitting to this would compromise their own weak and fragile sense of identity. So ashamed that they project it onto others in order to (not)deal with it.


I think that's the best way of putting it. I'm not a trained psychologist, but my folkloric work seems to reinforce this idea.

People invent stories to make themselves feel better, and for those who feel slighted by mainstream society it often devolves into blaming others in a pathology I like to call, The Pariah Complex. (See my post on it.)

Also, Why do haters gotta hate? Because thats the only thing they know how to do.

Couldn't have said it better myself =)

Mira said...

I do think it's modus operandi for some people (hatred, I mean). Seriously. It's the only way they can live. I am who I hate, sort of thinking. Asking them not to hate is like taking their personal identity away from them.

As for the topic of hate and enemies, you should watch "How Harry Became a Tree". Hatred in this one seems so random and pointless... Yeah.

Zek J Evets said...

Mira,

If I may, you touched on a concept that is the subject of one of my FAVORITE philosophers, Søren Kierkegaard. Here's the quote:

"Once he would gladly have given everything to be rid of this agony, but he was kept in waiting; now it is too late, now he would rather rage against everything and be the wronged victim of the whole world and of all life, and it is of particular significance to him to make sure that he has his torment on hand and that no one takes it away from him… What demonic madness -- the thought that most infuriates him is that eternity could get the notion to deprive him of his misery." — The Sickness Unto Death.

And I'll check out "How Harry Became a Tree".

P.S. I seem to have attracted a great many haters lately, probably going to have to start comment moderation again soon. Or maybe I'll keep it specific to only certain posts. We'll see...

Asher said...

I don't think you quite understand the concept of "hater". The term comes from the black underclass and refers to men who aren't getting laid. In such communities access to sex is skewed toward men who have one of three characteristics: athleticism, rapping or gang affiliation. Males possessing one of these three have much greater access to sex and those classes tend to monopolize sex in underclass urban settings. The remaining males have very little access to sex and, when they object, are called "haters".
So, a "hater" is someone who is jealous of another's success and who is unable to achieve basic happiness in life.
Do you really think that white people who form the HBD-sphere really are "hating on", say, the average resident of the city of Detroit? I mean really. Does a middle class white guy with a decent job and, likely, a college degree really envy the lives of inner city blacks? Not likely.
No, the general attitude is that of complete indefference. Not hatred, just apathy.
HBD is only a response to assertions that there is some moral duty to homogenize outcomes across all ethnic groups, when there is no evidence that this is even possible. As the black economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, in societies with significant numbers of more than one ethny not one of these has absolute homogeneity of outcomes. Chinese communities in South Asia are an excellent example of politically non-dominant minorities producing far greater economic outcomes than their politically dominant host majorities. Now Maylays are "haters" when it comes to their attitudes toward the Chinese minority in their country because of their jealousy of the difference in outcomes between Maylays and Chinese.
If you stop talking about how it is a moral imperative to homogenize outcomes we will stop talking about HBD.
And, for God's sake, learn how to use basic terms properly.

Zek J Evets said...

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Asher said...

I don't think you quite understand the concept of "hater". The term comes from the black underclass and refers to men who aren't getting laid. In such communities access to sex is skewed toward men who have one of three characteristics: athleticism, rapping or gang affiliation. Males possessing one of these three have much greater access to sex and those classes tend to monopolize sex in underclass urban settings. The remaining males have very little access to sex and, when they object, are called "haters".
So, a "hater" is someone who is jealous of another's success and who is unable to achieve basic happiness in life.
Do you really think that white people who form the HBD-sphere really are "hating on", say, the average resident of the city of Detroit? I mean really. Does a middle class white guy with a decent job and, likely, a college degree really envy the lives of inner city blacks? Not likely.
No, the general attitude is that of complete indefference. Not hatred, just apathy.
HBD is only a response to assertions that there is some moral duty to homogenize outcomes across all ethnic groups, when there is no evidence that this is even possible. As the black economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, in societies with significant numbers of more than one ethny not one of these has absolute homogeneity of outcomes. Chinese communities in South Asia are an excellent example of politically non-dominant minorities producing far greater economic outcomes than their politically dominant host majorities. Now Maylays are "haters" when it comes to their attitudes toward the Chinese minority in their country because of their jealousy of the difference in outcomes between Maylays and Chinese.
If you stop talking about how it is a moral imperative to homogenize outcomes we will stop talking about HBD.
And, for God's sake, learn how to use basic terms properly.

Zek J Evets said...

Asher,

And, for God's sake, learn how to use basic terms properly.

Apparently this is the new Kool-Aid ya'll have been drinking. Okay.

Get yourself a dictionary, Oxford English preferably. Look up the word "ignorant". Found it? Now look up the word "racist". How's that for proper terminology? =P

But on a more serious note, your comment illustrates a basic lack of understanding of the issues I blog about and thus you need to re-educate yourself via books, articles, and experience in the field. Maybe take a class at your local community college? That'd be your best bet to start catching up, and when you do then we have maybe/probably/hopefully have a decent discussion regarding the issues.

Until then, keep on hating! ; )

Herneith said...

"Fascinating. And yet black people keep scoring 15 points lower on IQ tests."

What's fascinating is your compulsion to seek out blogs such as this and others and spew forth your bullshit! You are unamused? Well tool, I am highly amused. Pay this malfeasant no mind Zek!

Franklin said...

@ Asher

Ummm...actually a "hater" has NOTHING to do with a black man that's not getting laid. It has to do with someone who's bitter towards someone else for little to no reason at all. Stemming from the fact that they (the hater) are just a miserable person. What you said doesn't even make a lick of sense.

Guess that HBD is an appropriate "science" for you to follow, eh? You know... the whole coming up with conclusions without using common sense and whatnot.